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Japanese people have the special affection for human-shaped objects.
With the influence of Shinto culture, they often regard human-shaped objects as resting or residing room for souls, spirits or gods/deities. Though this custom is becoming obsolete, some Japanese take old dolls to shrines or temples to pray for the repose of souls. Priests or monks recite a sutra and the dolls are cremated. These might be the reason why some people in Japan often talk as if Vocaloid characters were real human beings.

It seems some MMD model creators take their works as the very expression of their souls with this cultural and religious belief. This strong affection for human-shaped objects may lead to the reason why they strongly reject editing or redistributing their models. They don't mean to be selfish at all; we should respect their feelings.
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locopumpkin Featured By Owner May 28, 2015  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
I agree with this ^.^ I love drawing humans, they just seem so advanced and amazing creatures!
also human poses are fun to draw ☆〜(ゝ。∂)
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CrazyDave55811 Featured By Owner May 28, 2014
I can sort of understand the premise of this article.  It seems like when I'm trying to make a model, it's as if I put a piece of myself into the model, whatever that model may be, though perhaps it could hold especially true for humanoid models, even if it may be an edit (like my Miku Sneaking Suit model; example : fav.me/d7f76wi ).  Because of this, I can understand people being weary about distributing their models to other people throughout the Internet; because you put a piece of yourself into your model, you worry about how people are going to use your model.  This might be why some modelers implement set rules and guidelines with their models.

In a recent case, there was a model of Revy from Black Lagoon that I saw, made by one "NE".  This is a pic of the model in question:
pbs.twimg.com/media/BkXmuxWCMA…
I asked him on Twitter if it was available for download, and the best I could translate from his response was, "I'm sorry but this model is only available for the Japanese community".  It felt disheartening, that because I have lack of proper command of the Japanese language means that I will never be able to get that model, because I really like that model.  However, I did tell him that I'm willing to respect his wishes....I said that because I could understand where he was coming from, and I can only imagine how everyone else would be using that model of Revy.  If anything, I probably wouldn't use that model very much except for maybe just one video, but the fact that I have it in my collection would feel great.
Anyway, I refrained from trying to persuade him otherwise, too, because I too know what it's like to wish that others could take "No," for an answer.  But that's just me; it's my sense of respect towards others.  Honestly, I don't know fully how the Japanese view us, the West, in general, especially in concern to their trust in us with their models.  There are times when I think they may think we're immature, and if they do, I can't blame them....in fact, recently, a venerable MMD resource website was closed down, and the description on the page mentioned much of the community having so much "roolz", "drama", and even intricate password games that make acquisition of their models needlessly difficult.  I wonder if he was talking about the entire MMD community, or just the Western side of the community; if it's the latter, I can sort of agree.

As for editing & redistribution of models, I try to adhere to a "code of honor" of sorts; I can't, in good conscience, download an MMD model through illegal means, because to me it just doesn't feel right.  In fact I was given a download link to a model of Ryuko Matoi, and I haven't used it yet and am planning on deleting it because I was given the model via a download link; someone gave me the DL link instead of offering a hint as to the model's password.  If I have to purchase certain models, I'm willing to do so, though at some points I've had trouble trying to make purchases of them and I've given up (such as at MelonBooks' website) and not tried since.
As for editing models, I think there may be a loophole in the guidelines; it may be okay to edit a model, but do not distribute it or claim it as your own (always credit the original creator of the model).  Now that I mention it, I always have a "play it safe" attitude regarding specific models, such as Mamama's model of Gumi; I offer two download links to the model, one being through MediaFire, because I don't know if certain models are supposed to be that easily acquirable (such as by clicking on the DL link on a deviantART page).  Aside from that, if a model I redistribute was originally made by someone else (who has allowed redistribution of edits), I always credit the original maker.

I guess people need to realize that though MMD can be fun, there are a lot of intricate rules and guidelines that need to be respected.  On a personal note, I'm trying to be respectful towards the Japanese, believing that "they mean business" and they won't tolerate misuse of their work, nor illegal methods of downloading their models, but this is mostly based on my life-long affinity towards Japan.  Sadly, I'm just one of at least a few who is willing to obey the rules and guidelines they set forth, whilst a greater percentage seems to not care, thinking they won't be affected....but if more and more bad things happen, we all are going to be affected, even those who didn't do anything wrong.  All I can do is speak for myself, insisting that I'm just another MMD user, albeit with fair intention.

My apologies for the long post; I just felt that I needed to state my opinion of this matter.
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013
But they are not dolls, they are digital models they gave out to people ._.
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melk-tea Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013
did you even read the journal ?

did you really miss the point that much that you had to leave such an ignorant comment ?

wow
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2013
Yes, I did read the journal, and if they don't want their models edited, they shouldn't give it out to the INTERNET. I seriously doubt the give out their precious family dolls out to random people. I feel this way to both for the Japanese and Western fandom of MMD. It also pisses me off when people treat the Japanese fandom like"SPESHAL SNO FLAKS"
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locopumpkin Featured By Owner May 28, 2015  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
(´・_・`) this is a little insulting...just because it on the internet doesn't mean the creator wants everyone using it...that isn't what the Internet is for!
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Kaibonsen Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
o-o
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melk-tea Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013
you're basically saying that anyone who doesn't want their work to be messed with, should just keep it to themselves
do you know how stupid you sound

that's like saying anyone who draws well shouldn't put their artwork up if they don't want people tracing it or copying it in any way

just shut up you're missing the point completely
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013
:iconfacepalmplz:

If a peice of art work is given away in copies the person can do whatever they want to it, rules are not. But if someone puts a peice of art work out for people to see its considered stealing. Besides putting up a 3D model Is totally different from a picture so you're argument Is invaild


You're basically saying people should put their hard work out to people they don't even know.



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melk-tea Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
a 3d model is no different than a picture, it is still something someone put effort into and put it into the world for people to enjoy not rip apart without their consent

my arguement is 100 % valid you have little to no idea what you are talking about, you should have stopped while you were ahead 

i hope everyone who reads this realizes that too

just shut up you're missing the point completely

i'm done argueing over the internet, bye
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013
They are totally differnt, a 3D model you download, and a picture is 2D (at least most of the time)
You're very immature :la:

Okay bye :hug:
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mshaly Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wat.

Obviously 3d models and pictures are different but they are similar in the fact that people worked hard to make it.

Just how you can't take a picture and edit it without permission, you can't take a 3d model and edit it without permission.

They're different mediums of art, sure, but they're still both owned by the artist and shouldn't be used in a way that the artist doesn't want it to be used it.
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VocaloidWings Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not Japanese but I completely understand how they feel and talk to other people about VOCALOID as if they are real people and even stand up for them. The MMD Community has gotten worse and worse only because people are being influenced to break the rules by notorious rule breakers, illegal whatnot and oh! the drama. Don't people think that we have to just grow up and do what's right? I agree that crediting and etc can get a bit repetitive and annoying but it beats having to get trampled on by the MMD Police and getting annoyed for copyright.
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Those modelers should stop taking their MMD modelers so damn seriously

Please
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013
Exactly, if someone edits your model it's not the end of the world you still HAVE the model no has changed your copy of it
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Sipa-chuu Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
dA u no have fav button on  comments ;A;
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i wish i could fave a comment
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Fluttershy386 Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
<3
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Peachy-Pink10 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2013  Student Digital Artist
This explains a lot of things~<3 :iconclapplz:
I just feel sorry for the stubborn people out there.
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AdminTaylah Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013
Thanks for this!! Alot of people have been hating on Nanami and all those just because! Now i've showed them this and (most) for them agree! Thankies!!
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xXxShadowFanGirlxXx Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
私は同意するが、私がゼロからモデルを作成し場合、私はルールを作るだろう。私はまた、人々が私のルールを破るのは嫌だ。
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locopumpkin Featured By Owner May 28, 2015  New Deviant Student Digital Artist
ここで同じ蜂蜜!
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Ashjan20 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2012  Hobbyist
Well, you got a point here !
and I agree with you too
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emmystar Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2012  Hobbyist
What I understand of this journal, is that the modellers are efforting with their whole soul in the model.
It's the same for me when I make my own music/drawing/poem and etc.

So yes, I see your point here.
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MusiikNote Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2012  Student Filmographer
Yes.

just.

yes.
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Pocket-P Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
omg, totally agree with you!

BTW, sorry about last time with ~Hanaminasho, i though you were a troll D:
Now I know what you meant by her videos =z
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MintLatFenton Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree with what you say about no editing and abiding by the rules that the modelers set forth. I completely understand what you're trying to get across to everyone in the MMD community. I know where you're coming from, trust me.
But one thing, or more than one (who knows, I like to ramble), that I need to discuss with you. I just want to tell you something and maybe have a conversation. Completely civilized, I won't call you names or point fingers. Just a nice little suggestion, so to speak.
I've been reading up on all this drama and I really do appreciate you trying to educate the MMDC, but I would like to speak with you about your approach.
Explaining things to people like you have with this journal entry is exactly what people need to get it through their skulls sometimes. Of course, there is the case where the person just won't accept that fact or will just dismiss it.
But, as I have read through, I have found your almost "ban-happy" approach to be a tad distasteful. Of course that last statement was in no means meant to be offensive in the least and if it was I'm sincerely sorry you took it the wrong way. There's just no other way I could describe your way of trying to make a point.
I think if you just politely told people to stop and recited the rules with full proof would suffice in most situations. If you have tried this already, disregard that last sentence.
And before I continue any further I would like to state as even one of the "overseas" American population I do respect the rules and guidelines set forth by the modelers. I have never traded or obtained a model illegally and I couldn't edit a model if I tried.
And even though I may not agree with everyone you may suspect to be breaking said rules and or disrespecting the modelers and models, I think that I can agree with you on the fact that the MMD community does need help in some areas.
But, no community is ever perfect and there will always be trouble. Yet one can't give up, can they?
I do respect what you are doing as well. The teacher always has a hard job, but the teacher must always remember to respect others and remember that we're all human and equal.
I will make one more note before I close this off. I have also noticed how you have called some members of the community names (I will not mention any certain events so I don't rehash past situations in a bad way) which I don't agree with. I will just ask you nicely not to do this anymore as it discourages said person from listening to you at all. And as we all know, when people don't listen, things don't happen. Things don't happen, well, we'll all be sitting in a ditch wondering what happened.
I hope you take my words with a grain of salt and have a nice morning, afternoon, evening, whatever time of day it happens to be when you read this.
Good day.
~MintLatFenton
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MrKatatsumuri Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2012
Then ~Hanaminasho things could affect modelers?
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damesukekun Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
Japanese modelers are really annoyed with this person.
I'm going to kill her silly vids.
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HelenaKnowlegdeOffic Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2013
her videos aren't meant to be taken seriously :iconfaceeverythingplz:
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MrKatatsumuri Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
People will start to hate you...

*sighs*


I would like this community to understand you e.e
You should put examples with Jesus or God, things like that to make people understand...
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lunartigerdog Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Also, not everyone believes in god and jesus. So, not only is that stupid and it will not work, but it might make people offended which will make them hate him even more. Next time think before you speak
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MrKatatsumuri Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
Do you even know what a ''example'' is?

''You should put examples with Jesus or God, things like that to make people understand...''


And why would it offend someone? :S

Please read before you speak.
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lunartigerdog Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I've read it

"'You should put examples with Jesus or God, things like that to make people understand...''

key words: EXAMPLES WITH JESUS AND GOD.
You didn't say use them as an example, you said use examples WITH Jesus and god.

because some people don't like Christianity. That's why.

I've read it over 10 times and I've come to a solid conclusion. TYVM.

Like I said before and I'll say it again. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK
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MrKatatsumuri Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012
"'You should put examples with Jesus or God, things like that to make people understand...''
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lunartigerdog Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You aren't seeing the dilemma here. Whether you were using it to try and get a point across or not.

Besides. Saying "Things like that...."Does not fix the situation. you're only adding on to it. Heres a better thing to do. If Damesuskekun wants to be the most hated person in MMD because of his overreaction, then let him. However, if you don't want to end up like him, then let everything fall right into place. Don't try to step into the middle of it because if you do, then you will get hurt <_<

Also, NEVER try to bring something LIKE religion into something as dramatic as MMD. Religion is already a touchy topic and with MMD with religion

...

Religion+MMD= Internet explodes
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lunartigerdog Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm sorry, but no it wont. The way hes coming at her is what makes people hate him :T. Don't bring something like religion into this. That's just stupid and ignorant >_>
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HannahTheWriter Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hmmm... I didn't really know that. That explains why editing is almost NEVER allowed ^^
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DiemDo-Shiruhane Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
This journal is easy to understand, and it's in common English (can't understand why some people can't read).

People who make fuss with this journal are the ones who never put any piece of heart on things they do.
=> Heartless and Hopeless =v=
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NanaCookie Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012
Well said. I really wish all the other ones who spam you would actually READ this and TRY to understand. But no, they can only bash and flame. So sad. I really respect the Modelers and it's just a shame to see how so many are treating rules with no respect :(

Thanks for talking with the Modelers for us youre very nice :icontearplz:
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BottledWottle Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
If some models hold a sort of value to a model maker, what do you think the opinions of the modelers are when someone does something like this? [link]
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LightMichiru Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
Tylerrr, we established that things like that are disrespectful a long time ago when Habacchi got mad at Gen for doing something to Miku...and then also got mad at me for...just commenting on the video...
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BottledWottle Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012
I wasn't around when that happened. I've only heard that something weird happened.
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PixPir Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Mr. Damsesukekun, I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the people here who are taking this the wrong way. Please, don't think were all like this. I don't understand why they're so upset over this journal.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
Don't worry, it's not your fault.
My aim is educating people. Nothing more.
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PixPir Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Just try not to let it bother you. People here try to start drama over everything, and really I don't understand why, or why all of a sudden they're attacking this journal entry, but just ignore them.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012
I know some of the spammers are editing and redistributing models illegally.
I've already issued the DMCA copyright claim against them.
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